Language design philosophy: more than one way?
March 4th, 2008
Ola Bini manages to express my feelings about the difference between Ruby and Python:
So what’s the point? Well, the point is Ruby. In fact, Ruby has almost all of the flexibility of Perl to do things in different ways. But at the end of the day, none of the Perl problems tend to show up. Why is this? And why do I feel so comfortable in Ruby’s “There is more than one way to do it” philosophy, while the Perl one scares me?
I think it comes down to language design. The Python approach is impossible for the simple reason that what the language designer chooses is going to be the “one way”, by fiat. Some people will agree, and some will not. But what I’m seeing in Ruby is that the many ways have been transformed into idioms and guidelines. There are no hard rules, but the community have evolutionary evolved idioms that work and found out many of the ways that doesn’t work. This seems to be the right way - if you do the choice as a language designer, you have actually chosen the people that will use your language: that’s going to be the persons who doesn’t dislike the language designers choices. But if you leave it open enough for evolutionary community design to happen you can actually get the best of both world: both a best way to do things, and something that works for a much larger percentage of the programmer world.
– http://ola-bini.blogspot.com/2008/02/language-design-philosophy-more-than.html
I like constraints, they can be liberating, but I also want to be treated as a grownup when it comes to breaking them. So Ruby’s socially suggested guidelines are much more comfortable to work with than Python’s enforced style.
One of those nights
January 3rd, 2008
Last night Zed Shaws Rails is a Ghetto Shitstorm was brought to my attention. Zeds rant provides enough meat for a post of its own but it’s not what I want to write about today. Following some comments on Zed article on Technorati I stumbled (again) into one of those evenings full of great discoveries.
Git
Shortly before Git became really popular some months ago, I had become interested in darcs and distributed revision control systems in general. The topic is kinda difficult though and none of the texts I was reading at the time could really communicate the benefits of DRCS to me. I always had some gripes about svn but it wasn’t clear to me how DRCS were able to solve them.
I lost interest, following posts about git only loosely until last night a colleague pointed me to Randal Schwartz’ Git presentation at Google Tech Talks. Holy crap, I need to check this out. What appeals most to me:
- The ability to have the entire repository available locally
I was extremely sceptical when I first heard about this, but when Schwartz claimed that the entire repository of the linux kernel is half the size of a checkout I was sold. - Subversion interoperability
Didn’t know about this before. Makes the transition much easier. - Having local-only repositories inside your working dir
I have many smaller projects that I’d love to keep locally contained. In Subversion I always had to create a repository on my server for everything. - Other small things
High compression, the simple database system behind git, the optimization for speed, staged commits, the ability to completely erase files from a repository (e.g. stuff not intended for publication, something that was very hard to do on subversion), the placement of all metadata in a single directory (opposed to littering every dir in the working copy with.svndirectories)
Despite some shortcomings that was enough to make me install git on my mac (sudo port install git-core). I’m eager to check it out later today.
Smalltalk and Seaside
Ever since watching Evan Phoenix Rubinius Presentation at RubyConf 2007 and listening to Avi Bryants Smalltalk’s Lessons for Ruby Keynote from RailsConf 2007 I’ve been curious about Smalltalk. I mean, I was curious about it before, after all it’s probably the language that has the most influence on what I’m doing today (through its promotion of object-orientation and through providing key principles behind ruby), but since listening to Avi and Evan I’ve become really interested in VM implementations (see Smalltalk-80: The Language and Its Implementation for an excellent in-depth description of the orignal Smalltalk-80 interpreter) and real world usage of smalltalk.
To be honest, as much as I love Ruby as a language, its implementations all suck. And Evan explained why: Implementing most of the base language on another Platform (C for MRI, Java for JRuby) turns out to be a leaky abstraction when you want to extend the language. Additionally, as pure and beautiful the Ruby language is in concept, as ugly is its implementation. On the one hand, what I like so much about Ruby is its conceptual purity, its very limited set of axioms, syntax and exceptions from its own rules, on the other hand, this purity is not present in the interpreter when high-level data structures (like arrays and hashes) are implemented in C for performance reasons. Smalltalk has always had a strong philosophy of implementing as much as possible in Smalltalk itself and only resorting to C for a minimal subset (“Turtles all the way down”).
Rubinius aims to implement a Ruby interpreter on the design principles of smalltalk. I love the project and there seem to be only the most brilliant people working on it (Evan Phoenix, Eric Hodel, Ryan Davis and others, full time). As many others have said already, Rubinius is likely to become the main Ruby implementation if they manage to take off (and they will undoubtedly).
Yet, something was bugging me: If Ruby and Smalltalk are so similar, if Smalltalk has been around, specified and stable for 25 years in many different, compatible implementations, commercial and open source, why take the long route and bend Ruby to look like Smalltalk? Why not use Smalltalk directly? These questions became even more nagging after reading Randal Schwartz’ (yeah, the guy who sold me on Git earlier) Transcript show: ‘Hello, world!’, cr and Fabio Akitas excellent Interview with Avi Bryant (part 1, part 2). Listening to yet another chat with Avi (linked in the second part of Fabio’s interview) at Floss Weekly (with Randal Schwartz again, highly recommended) before falling asleep I finally decided to check out Squeak, the (most popular?) opensource Smalltalk implementation. I was amazed at the simplicity of the installation: Download the VM, Download the Squeak image, load the image into the VM, done.
I have read about Seaside, Avi’s web development framework, before, mainly in reagard to it’s clever use of continuations, but some of the stuff he described at Floss sound almost too good to be true. Live debugging of your app in the browser ? With hot code swapping over the wire? And I thought Rails’ rdebug integration was great.
Well, at 2am I was finally falling asleep but the stuff I’ve been discovering will probably keep me occupied for quite some time. As I explore and discover more about the topics mentioned, I’ll report my findings here on my blog.
Avi Bryant on Smalltalk
January 2nd, 2008
What clicked about Smalltalk was a few things: one was simply the maturity, both of the community and of the technology. Smalltalk implementations have been refined over the last 25 years, and they’ve really benefited from it.
One of the major benefits, in my opinion, is that Smalltalk VMs are fast enough that it’s reasonable to implement all of the standard libraries – Array, Hash, Thread, and so on – in Smalltalk itself. So there’s no barrier where you switch from your Ruby code to the underlying C implementation; it’s “turtles all the way down”. This may not seem like a big deal but once you have it, it’s really hard to give it up.
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In Smalltalk, you don’t have to choose one file layout or order of methods and classes in your code; you’re constantly switching views on what’s basically a database of code.
My friend Brian Marick hates this, because you lose any “narrative” that might have existed by putting the code in a certain order in the file, and it’s hard to get used to, but for me, it’s the ultimate power tool for hacking on a large code-base.
– http://www.akitaonrails.com/2007/12/15/chatting-with-avi-bryant-part-1
– http://www.akitaonrails.com/2007/12/22/chatting-with-avi-bryant-part-2
REST in Place
December 23rd, 2007
In Ajax vs. REST I wrote about my ideas for a RESTful inplace editor.
Well, after a day playing around with jQuery, I present REST in Place Read the rest of this entry »
AJAX vs. REST
December 15th, 2007
A small shop I’ve been writing for for fathers pharmacy was a welcome playground for modeling my domain RESTful. During my ventures, two big issues had me thinking quite hard for a while and there’s still no proper solution available. One of them was a DRY implementation of controllers for nested resources which I’ll describe later, the other one was the outdated inplace editor plugin in Rails.
Hey Hey OCaml
August 7th, 2007
Wie’s aussieht hat sich auch Steve Yegge schon damit beschäftigt:
OCaml has threads, exceptions, call-with-continuation, calling conventions to and from C, a rich standard library with collections, networking, I/O, graphics, a complete interface to the Unix programming API, and a powerful module system that blows Java’s packages away. It has interfaces and bindings for Oracle, MySQL, postgres, berkeley DBs, CORBA, COM, xml-rpc, SOAP, XML, perl-compatible regular expressions… the list goes on. You name it, it’s there.
OCaml has the potential to make me happy as a programmer, finally.
Mjamm :) Read the rest of this entry »
An apple a day…
July 31st, 2007
Wie heisst die Faustregel doch so schön? “Lerne jedes Jahr eine neue Programmiersprache”
Bisher schlage ich mich damit ganz gut:
2007: ein bißchen Python
2006: C#, Ruby, Javascript
2005: genug C++ um da in Zukunft einen Bogen herum zu machen, genug Haskell um ein permanentes distanziertes Interesse zu erhalten das vielleicht irgendwann durchschlägt in ernsthafte Auseinandersetzung.
2003/2004: Java
1999-2002: PHP, SQL Read the rest of this entry »